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Older Stuff: Primary learning tasks:

1. We articulate the overall model, key themes/philosophies using Paula`s ppt. ( assume the model is suitable for trialling in a small/large group eval/pilot course) 2. We conduct a high-level broad task analysis of only the Design and Development POs (by reverse-engineering: we be the SMEs and ID and define tasks on what should be in these POs in very broad brush terms based on our 3 experences and philosophies of how it should be. (not too heavy, for the course, a "light application" I might say.)  3. We reduce and concentrate on and conduct a full Task Analysis and Instructional Analysis for ONE subordinate PO such as ``Advise on DL`` (Incl create a small scalar) 4. Conduct steps in association with rest of class in the fol. areas: learner analysis, writing LOs, assessing learning, instructional strategies, evaluation of course <span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial,sans-serif; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;">5. Then look at the whole course from a larger perspective and adjust the time allocation and make some notes.

<span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;">What remains below is some discussion on alternate plans we have since declined.

<span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;">__**MARS trg and NETPO DISCUSSION**__ <span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; line-height: normal;">"The ID of the entire MARS process is lengthy - and 20% of the trade is tied up in the trg system. Taking a look at it as a whole and finding places to decrese classroom/ simulator time is required - but who has the time? "

<span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"><span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;">ANNETTE"S UPDATED COMMENTS <span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"><span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;">Hey guys! I have a new idea about this ID thing now that B and I have spoken - video next, I want to see that pretty face!

<span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"><span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;">The problem with solving MARS is that its much too large. <span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"><span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;">The problem with fleshing out Paula's model is the crse choice - we will confuse everyone if we start using a ISD/ ADDIE model on a course that teaches CFITES. 'In oder to design the design phase of the course content...' You know what I mean? It also is quite a big course - not as monsterous as MARS, but still pretty big.

<span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"><span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;">I have a COA 3 - Paula, we spoke during the conf about the small E-learning section at NOTC. There is LCdr and 2 developers. That's quite a bit more than most schools, but we both know what they're missing - the ID SMEs. This small team can develop magic, but they really have no foundation on which to build fancy, shiny things. Where are they best situated in the course? What type of interaction is required - and when? And what about student evaluations? They have no idea what to test, or how to test it online. That said, I think we could try any ID process/ model on any of the DL courses. I thinking DL is an easier way to show what we're talking about - you can all get DNDLearn accts (of course you have them already) and we can do some real good. Maybe even overlay your model on it - or do both... [Brad says - this looks interesting. In a way it is very similar to the TDO BQC proposal but perhaps a bit tighter and more manageable. I am wondering what a few high level tasks might look like.]

<span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"><span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;">What about the Officer of the Day (OOD) or Officer in Charge (OIC) courses? They each have a DL portion that is short enough to focus on (I thinkg 2 or 3 weeks), and I know OIC is on the pri list for our E learning sect. I'll have to revisit our proj learning outcomes again (and to be honest, the goal of this project. My crse outine won't open), but I think what we have is a good start with the 6 we have. Let me do some research tomorrow and I can try to SKYPE at 1300 if you all are aval. <span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"><span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;">I lvoe you guys...I can't believe we're all doing this together, what a blast. I have no doubt we'll rock this - I can't imagine a better team! <span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"><span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;">Brad - I'll let you handle Ellen.

<span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"><span style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;">Talk tomorrow,

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Good day folks. I've spoken with LCdr Guinchard, the headof VENTURE's E Learning team. I explained Eds 6223 and what we may be able to work on (since he has no IDs on staff). He recommends the DL unit of the NETPO crse. The real benefit for us is that is only a 5 day crse. It also hasn't been looked at since 2004 and is on his immediate radar for this FY. He has granted us access through our DNDLearn accts and we should be hearing from him shortly. I also had a young whippersnapper subbie working for me and had her do a mini-evaluation of the crse in advance of the improvement. She basically compared the QSP to the DL crse and identified the gaps or overlaps. I'll attach it here for your pleasure.

Pls send thoughts.

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[Brad says] I reviewed the NETPO and it is in serious need of work. For example, the first lesson is boring, is not at all aligned with the audience (at least what I know about 20 year old sailors), is not situated in their work, offers no interaction, etc, etc, etc. It also has serious structural issues (for example, first lesson starts with NDA, gets to rounds, and then ends with Law of the Sea - if this was meant to be completely asinine, it is working) If we were to work on this to make it more relevant and situated in the learner's experience I would be all for it. I think this is in line with Paula's aims and goals.